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Sunday, September 8, 2013
Monday, July 8, 2013
Salman Khan and RAVINDRA PATIL: THE DEATH OF A MESSENGER
June 27, 2013 by SOUMYADIPTA BANERJEE
RAVINDRA PATIL: THE DEATH OF A MESSENGER
In the 2002 hit-and-run case of Salman Khan, the man who found himself in the epicenter of the controversy, was the prime witness of the case — constable Ravindra Patil.
Those close to Patil admitted that he was under enormous pressure to change his statement.
There were many who wanted Patil to change his statement. They preferred that Patil maintain that Salman leaned back to listen to him seconds before he lost control of the wheel. This would mean that the accident was caused by a ‘human error’ and not because he was drunk. Some people wanted him to say that Salman was not drunk at the time of the accident.
Whatever be the case, Patil did not change his statement till the last day.
It was unclear who was putting pressure on Patil — some say they were all ‘well-wishers’ of Salman Khan from the police force while others say that those talking to Patil were Salman’s common friends from the film industry. Whoever they were, the pressure tactic seemed to be working as Patil was showing signs of a nervous break-down.
Why was Ravindra Patil so vulnerable?
Patil was a constable and hence belonged to the lowest rung in the police force. He admitted numerous times that he was under pressure and he would always try to duck the media.
During 2006, when the examination of witnesses was on, Salman had hired the best lawyers in Mumbai who were all charged up to cross-examine Patil. But then, something unexpected happened. Patil just ran away one evening. His brother lodged a missing report about Patil at a local police station.
Day after day, Patil chose to skip court dates because he didn’t want to face the defence lawyer. Soon, Patil came under scrutiny of the court because he remained absent at the court hearings. The court proceedings were stuck because Patil was absent in the witness-box. It also came to light that he had run away without applying for leave.
In a strange twist of fate, a man who had actually lodged the first information report against Salman Khan now had an arrest warrant issued against him for not turning up at court hearings. The arrest warrant was issued after he failed to appear for five consecutive court dates.
As the judge ordered that he be arrested and produced in court, his seniors at the police force simultaneously approved that Patil be sacked from his job because he was absent from duty. His seniors chose to ignore the fact that technically Patil was ‘missing’ and not ‘absent’ according to their own records.
Nobody was interested in knowing why he had run away from his house. Or, why the same person who was so forthcoming in lodging a complaint against a Bollywood star like Salman Khan, didn’t want to take the witness-box. Patil was never put under any witness protection programme.
Patil was sent to Arthur Road jail with hardened criminals
Like how they deal with a hardened criminal, a task force was prepared to nab Patil and find out where he was ‘hiding’. Finding him was easier than anybody had thought because Patil was not hiding anywhere. Ravindra Patil was actually staying in a small hotel in Mahabaleswar, just a few kilometres away from Mumbai. He would come to Mumbai often to meet his wife and family. He was not on the run from the police and was going around telling everybody that he wanted to stay away from the Salman Khan case.
He had repeatedly requested his colleagues in Mumbai Police to work out a way so that he can be spared from the case. The problem was: He was the prime witness and without him the case didn’t stand a chance in a court of law.
How many of you hate going to court? How many of you don’t like how witnesses are grilled in criminal cases by defence lawyers? Well, if I go by Patil’s example, then all of you should be put in jail. Believe it or not, Ravindra Patil was sent to jail because of this ‘crime’.
The special police team swooped down on him, arrested him and produced at the court, the next day. The court sent him to Arthur Road jail, the biggest jail of Mumbai where most of the high-profile criminals are lodged.
Here are pictures after Patil’s arrest post a raid at a Mahabaleshwar hotel.
In Arthur Road jail, Ravindra Patil was incarcerated in a separate cell like they would treat an armed dacoit or a serial killer. Patil submitted fervent pleas that he doesn’t want to be grouped with criminals at the Arthur Road jail but the court was in no mood to relent.
Twice, Patil filed applications saying that he is a witness and that he be held at Unit nine of the Crime Branch and twice the court ignored the application. In his applications, Patil went on record saying that he went absconding as he was mentally disturbed at the thought of being cross-examined by defence lawyers. But nobody seemed to be interested in what he was saying.
If the courts didn’t pay heed to his pleas, his employers — the Mumbai Police — seemed to be on some revenge spree. A ‘missing’ Patil suddenly became an ‘absconding’ Patil in their own files and subsequently sacked from his job. This junior-most employee in the force tried every trick in the book to convince his senior officers that he should not be sacked from his job. But nobody was ready to listen.
A witness was suddenly at the receiving end of it all. Life was dealing this grand witness blows after blows while Salman Khan delivered hits after hits at the box office.
The last days of Ravindra Patil
After Patil was let out of jail, he found himself in a strange situation — his family had disowned him and the Mumbai Police was not ready to take him back. Patil didn’t know what to do — suddenly he was the victim because he saw the accident and spoke about it.
A broken man by then, Ravindra Patil went missing again.
Patil was finally discovered at the Sewri Municipal hospital in 2007. Patil was begging on the streets of Mumbai before he landed up at the hospital. The years of acute stress coupled with heavy drinking had made his body weak. Worse, he had contracted a drug-resistant tuberculosis which fast tracked him towards an inevitable end.
Patil wanted to get back in the police force but he was just a bag of bones lying on bed number 189 of ward number four on the fourth-floor of Sewri TB Municipal Hospital. His family members were not aware where he was and nobody had come to see him for a year.
Here are some moving pictures of Ravindra Patil, just days before his death.
Constable Ravindra Patil died on October 4, 2007.
Even after his death, there was nobody to take back his body. The friend who had admitted him to the hospital was so scared that he didn’t even inform his family. In the end, his brothers came forward to perform the last rites.
Before his death, Patil spoke to his friend expressing his wish to get back to the force again while throwing up blood on the cold floors of the Sewri Municipal hospital.
“I stood by my statement till the end, but my department did not stand by me. I want my job back, I want to survive. I want to meet the police commissioner once,” were his last words.
Clearly, even God chose not to hear him.
Ravindra Patil never rested in peace.
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Constable Ravindra Patil’s eye-witness accounts are still the most important documents in the 2002 Hit-and-Run case involving Salman Khan. It is now a case of homicide after a thorough re-examination of other witnesses.
Salman Khan faces a 10-year jail term in the case if he’s convicted.
Before we end, here is a news report about Patil after he was discovered just days before his death.
Short-link of the post -> http://wp.me/p3x1zT-g5
(a) The earlier post on Ravindra Patil: THE WRETCHED WITNESS
(b) The first post about Salman Khan’s 2002 hit-and-run case: Shah Rukh Khan versus Salman: Their first public fight
What is Islam and Loyalty of Muslims to India
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#Spiritually - No. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' the Hindu “God” is loving and (cont) http://tl.gd/n_1rl86n5 -
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#Philosophically - No. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and (cont) http://tl.gd/n_1rl86m2 - Prashanth K.P.
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#Intellectually - No. Because he cannot accept Indian Constitution principles & he believes only Koran to be correct - Prashanth K.P.
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#Domestically - No. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34) - Prashanth K.P.
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#Politically - No. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and anti muslims - Prashanth K.P.
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#Socially - No. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians, Jews or Hindus. - Prashanth K.P.
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#Geographically - No. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day. - Prashanth K.P.
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#Scripturally - No. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran. - Prashanth K.P.
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#Religiously - No. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam. (Quran, 2:256) · - Prashanth K.P.
@prashanthkpp17m1/10:- Can a good Muslim be a good Indian?
#Theologically - NO. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Saturday, July 6, 2013
Gulf money fueling Muslim extremism in Kerala
Gulf money fueling Muslim extremism in Kerala
July 6, 2013
Jyeshtha Krushnapaksha 13, Kaliyug Varsha 5115
O Hindus, establish Hindu Rashtra to save Kerala from becoming another Kashmir !
IUML grows more militant to take on other radical islamist parties
New Delhi: Kerala's Muslims have prospered largely thanks to the Gulf Boom, but over the past four decades the phenomenon has also led to an apparent spurt in extremist tendencies among the minority community, throwing up yet another paradox in a state known for paradoxes.
Every time the chief Muslim party, Indian Union Muslim League (IUML), flexes its political muscles and seeks more representation in the Congress-led government, the focus shifts to 'radical Islam'. None other than the state Congress president, Ramesh Chennithala, recently accused the recalcitrant ally of being a "liability".
The IUML, which has 20 MLAs and five ministers in the 140-member assembly, has often come under attack - even from defence minister AK Antony - for using its "bargaining power" in a minority government to secure ministerial and other administrative perks. The party has come under sharp criticism for nominating a former long-time security guard of industries minister and IUML leader P K Kunhalikutty as the regional passport officer of Malappuram - the CBI has initiated a probe into irregularities in issuing passports by this former gunman, K Abdul Rasheed, whose "out of turn" appointment itself had generated controversy. It has also been demanding bifurcation of the Muslim majority district of Malappuram to gain an additional Lok Sabha seat in the 2014 general elections.
Gone are the days
The IUML, according to renowned historian MGS Narayanan, who was a chairman of the Indian Council for Historical Research (ICHR), used to be a "relatively secular party like the Congress". Lately, however, he says, it has been trying to outwit radical elements such as the Popular Front of India (PFI) through its constant "pro-Muslim posturing", and in the process contributing to polarisation along communal lines in the country's most literate state. The state's self-government department, held by IUML, had issued a circular that legalised marriages of Muslim women in the age group of 16 to 18 and men below 21. In the face of protests, the circular was amended.
Last year, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had listed Kerala - a state that economists such as Professor Amartya Sen and others have used as a case study to highlight the paradox of high social indicators despite low growth - along with the likes of J&K and Assam that are seeing a spurt in extremist religious fervour.
Indoctrination, Identity
A major chunk of the estimated 60,000 crore in remittances that Kerala receives is contributed by Muslim migrants and Malappuram tops the list of beneficiaries among all its 14 districts. The Muslims, who form more than a quarter of Kerala's total population, are not only more economically advanced but also politically more powerful compared with the Muslims in the other states. Among all communities in the state, only Muslims have positive population growth - something that has prompted the Church to discreetly encourage more than two children per family.
Narayanan contends that "indoctrination of Muslim youths follows a pattern". "These labourers and others who go to the Gulf get into this trap and once indoctrinated, they return committed to the cause of Islam, ready to spend money or devote time and energy into what they call religious activities," he says, emphasising that Hindu organisations, too, are flush with funds from overseas donors.now
"Saudi" money, love jihad
The real problem now, says a senior state police officer, is the growing "extremist" tendencies among Muslim youths. "It is leading to a major law-and-order situation in the state known for its progressive edge," he adds, asking not to be named.
Narayanan points out, "Both - Hindu extremist and Islamic fundamentalism - grow on each other." Emphasising that "madrassas are mushrooming and are the breeding grounds for potential jihadis", he says such childhood training results in a person building a wall against other religions.
Even as various Islamist recruits have been charged with wooing girls from other religions in an effort to convert them, senior PFI leader EM Abdurahman dismisses charges of "love jihad" "It is absolutely false and it is just a creation of rightwing elements," he says. "Muslims are now aware of their identity and are proud of it. Unfortunately, this prosperity has invited jealously from right-wing sections and vested interests," he said.
Source: The Economic Times
Tuesday, May 21, 2013
New Testament of BIBLE Vs The Bhagavad Gita Part 1
Today we start the series on Comparing the New Testament of Jesus Vs The Bhagavad Gita of Lord Krishna .
Let see how they differ
VS
Well we have started.. Taken the first step ..Now it is on..
Saturday, May 18, 2013
WIT AND WISDOM OF HAMID DALWAI' A SECULAR MUSLIM
http://www.hvk.org/publications/hvk/wit.html
WIT AND WISDOM OF HAMID DALWAI'
A SECULAR MUSLIM
Excerpts from his Book "Muslim Politics In Secular India"
MUSLIM POLITICS IN SECULAR INDIA
Scintillating and thought-provoking, this book gives an absorbing summing up of the problem of Muslim communalism in India. It relates Muslim communalism to the make-up of the Indian Muslim mind and its historical background. Balanced and well documented, Mr Dalwai's analysis of the origin and nature of Muslim communalism has earned him a rapidly increasing audience in recent years. His wide research on this subject leads him to make an eloquent and forceful plea for a movement for modernization, secularization and liberalization as the only long-term solution to the communal problem.
Written in a refreshing, anecdotal style, these essays on the problem of communalism and its remedy will prove invaluable for an understanding of the Indian political scene.
The author, Hamid Dalwai belongs to a middle-class Marathi speaking, Muslim family. A self-educated man, Mr. Dalwai has been active in Politics for many years and is an experienced journalist. In Maharashtra, he is known as a provocative publicist and also as an outstanding short story writer.
1. Foreword by Dr A B Shah, President, Indian Secular Forum
1.1 - Educated Muslims prefer playing safe even though that would mean pandering to the prejudices and superstitions of their less fortunate brethren that Mr. Dalwai is engaged in what may be called a one-man crusade against the obscurantism of Muslim society in India. (pg.6)
1.2 - Mr.Dalwai's thesis is that the basic malaise of Muslim society (in India as elsewhere with the exception of Turkey and perhaps Tunisia) lies in the fact that ft has never had a renaissance in its entire history of more than thirteen hundred years. (pg.7)
1.3 - However the type of integration that is necessary here cannot be achieved unless Muslims no less than Hindus learn to separate religion from the rights and obligations of citizenship of a modem state. (pg.7)
1.4 - It is difficult for a Hindu to visualize, except by a special effort of reason and the imagination, a mind that is almost totally lacking in the conception of the individual and derives the significance of human life solely from the individual's membership of a collectivity. (pg. 12)
1.5 - The founder of Islam had therefore also to found a state before its message was fully delivered, let alone developed in contact with a more advanced culture without the attainment of force. (pg.13)
Note: (The founder of Christianity did not found a state, or attempt to do so. The Church's alliance with the state comes much later.)
1.6- (Dalwai)dwelt at some length on this aspect of Islam as a cultural tradition. The reason is not that Islam is unique in its record of intolerance in the past; it is, rather, that Islam still exhibits the same intolerance of free inquiry and dissent as ft did in less enlightened times. (pg.14)
1.7 - The tragedy of Indian Muslims does not lie so much in the backwardness of a vast majority of them in relation to the Hindus which is only a symptom - as in the unwillingness of educated Muslims to undertake a critical reappraisal of their heritage. (pg. 16)
1.8 - For historical and other reasons, the Hindu is at an advantage in this respect. But precisely because of that he has to accept the onus of promoting the modernization of Muslim society. (pg.20)
Note : While Hindus are willing to take the responsibility, it is necessary for the Muslims to co-operate.
2 - Chapter I - Historical Background
2.1 - It is an old habit of Indian Muslims to blame Hindus for their woes. However, the Indian Muslim intelligentsia has never really been critically introspective. (pg.30)
2.2 - It is no fault of the Hindus that the Indian Muslims embraced this theory of a separate, Muslim nationalism. Nor is it the fault of the Hindus that Indian Muslims regarded Hindus in Pakistan as hostages ensuring their own (Indian Muslims') security in India. (pg.32)
2.3 - The truth of the matter is that the Muslim intelligentsia has not yet given up its postulate of parallel society. It has still not learnt to separate religion from politics. Their idea of religious freedom is merely that the structure of the Muslim society in India should remain unaltered. (pg.33)
2.4 - But the Hindus also had a liberal humanist tradition. (pg.33) The only effective answer to the problems of Indian Muslims would involve on their part a total rejection of the prejudices of history. Only when they rid themselves of the misconceptions that history and tradition produce can they arrive at the conception of a free, modern mind committed only to fundamental human values. (pg.34)
2.5 - However, I consider suicidal the Hindu communalist attempt to answer Muslim communalism by obscurantist Hindu revivalism. Muslim communalism will be defeated only when the Hindu achieves a greater degree of social progress and modernizes himself. By making the Hindus more obscurantist - by making them more puritan and orthodox - Muslim communalism can never be eliminated. (pg.35-36)
Note: (And who is to modernise the Muslims?)
2.6 - I oppose the ban on cow-slaughter on agro-economic ground. I oppose it even more strongly on non-economic grounds, because if the Hindus belief in the sacredness of the cow is encouraged, it would prevent the Hindus from modernizing themselves and from achieving a great degree of social progress. (pg.36)
Note: (Banning cow slaughter was economic custom as well)
2.7 - Mohamud Ghazanvi could defeat Hindu armies simply by using herds of cows as a shield for his own army! (pg.36)
2.8 - Hindu communalists should not continue to make the tragic blunder of mistaking every Muslim for a communalist. It is true that today it is difficult to find a thoroughly secular Muslim in India. But if we want secular minded Muslims, in the near future, we must encourage and support those Muslims who are already stepping in that direction. (pg.37)
3 - Chapter II - Reading the mind of Indian Muslim
3.1 - Most Muslim leaders in India advance the odd argument that Muslims were not responsible for partition, and even argue that Hindus alone were responsible for it. (pg.40)
3.2 - History provides some clues to the strange behaviour and arguments of Indian Muslim leaders. Indian Muslims always tried to impose their own demands on Hindus with the help of the British, who were a third party in the position of a judge. (pg.40)
3.3 - When they saw that the judgement in this dispute was to be given by a third party, they tried to till the balance in their own favour even by resorting to an unscrupulous and fallacious argument, and the Hindus who were eager for independence conceded their demand. (pg.40)
3.4 - Indian Muslims have committed an even worse sin. They not only relied on a third party but also participated in a movement which aimed at creating a separate nation comprising all provinces which had a Muslim majority. (pg.41)
3.5 - The question which arises here is- why do Indian Muslims make the obviously false claim that Pakistani Hindus are treated with due justice? And why did the Muslims earlier refuse to rely on the conscience of Hindus to get full justice for themselves? (pg.43)
3.6 - Indian Muslims leaders believe that in their dispute with the majority in India, Pakistan is the third party occupying the position of the judge.(pg.44)
Note: See 2.2, 2.3, 2.4
3.7 - However, it must be pointed out that the support of Indian Muslims to the creation of Pakistan was not entirely based on emotional frenzy. It was also based on the theory of hostages. At the same time, Indian Muslims believed that India would eventually be ruled by Islam. (pg.49)
3.8 - Sardar Patel merged the princely states within the Indian Union and thus shattered their hopes. This is why Muslim leaders hate Sardar Patel. (pg.50)
3.9 - Indian Muslims still regard themselves as Pakistanis, and they believe that their emancipation has been ensured by the creation of Pakistan. (pg-50)
4 - Chapter III - Muslims : The so-called Nationalists and the Communalists
4.1 - All Muslim leaders unanimously complain that injustice is done to Muslims in India. However, they have a strange definition of injustice.....
One of the methods of ensuring justice is to claim that Pakistani infiltrators in Assam are not Pakistani at all. A second method is to demand the granting of Indian citizenship to those Pakistanis who are illegal residents of Bihar, West Bengal and some other states of India. A third method is to oppose family planning. (pg.53)
Note: See 4.9.
4.2 - Savarkar admitted the existence of a separate Muslim nationalism. He had even shown his willingness to give them a written guarantee that their culture, their language and their proportional representation would be safeguarded. The only thing Savarkar denied to the Muslims was a separate, independent and sovereign state. (pg.59)
4.3 - In an undivided India a specially privileged Muslim community would have vigorously continued a movement for Islamization of India. (pg.61)
Maulana Hussain Ahmed Madni was considered a great 'Nationalist Muslim' leader. He was president of the Jamiat-e-Ulema-i-Hind. When the ulema convened a conference in Delhi in the year 1 945, he said in his presidential address, "it is the non-Muslims who are the field of action for this 'tabligh' of Islam and form the raw material for this splendid activity ... We are opposed to the idea of limiting the right of missionary activities of Islam within any particular area. The Muslims have got a right in all the nooks and corners of India by virtue of the great struggle and grand sacrifices of their ancestors in this country. Now, it is our duty to maintain that claim and try to widen its scope, instead of giving it up." ("The Deobad School and the Demand for Pakistan" by Z H Faruqi, Asia Publishing House, Bombay, 1963, pg.117) The same learned Maulana has said elsewhere, "if Dara had triumphed, Muslims would have stayed in India, but not Islam. Since Aurangzeb triumphed, both Muslims were here to stay." (pg.61-62).
4.4 - What was the difference between Jinnah and the nationalist Muslims? While Jinnah wanted a separate state, the nationalist Muslims wanted the whole of India. (pg.62)
4.5 - Muslim leaders always blame Hindu communalism for partition. I fail to see where, in this entire discussion, Hindu communalism comes in. (pg.62)
4.6 - Jinnah was not fighting Savarkar and Golwalkar. He never mentioned their communalism. He never mentioned their communalism. Jinnah accused Gandhi of being a Hindu communalist, refusing to concede his demands. He criticised Nehru in the same way. Similarly, when Muslim leaders hold communalists responsible for the partition, they want to suggest that it was Gandhi and Nehru who were 'Hindu communalists'. The implications are clear: they charge every Hindu with being a communalist. At the same time, they make the strange claim that every Muslim is a nationalist. (pg.63) The real conflict, therefore, was not between Hindu and Muslim communalists. It was a conflict between the secular nationalism of Gandhi and Nehru and the religious nationalism of Indian Muslims. (pg-63)
4.7 - When Christians were not modern, even they forcibly converted Muslims to their own faith. (pg.65)
4.8 - Independence, according to the Muslims, is synonymous with all power being concentrated in the hands of the Muslim community. (pg-66)
4.9 - They claim that the Hindu majority in India treats them with injustice. They fail to realize that their definition of Islam is twisted and strange, for these leaders believe that the greatest injustice to Indian Muslims is the simple fact that there is a majority of Hindus in this country. (pg.69)
Note: See 4.1.
5 - Chapter IV - The Communal Malady : A Diagnosis
5.1 - Secular parties in India have always considered the problem of Hindu-Muslim relations from the viewpoint of romantic idealism and have refused to face boldly the harsh truth underlying it. After the outbreak of a communal riot, they have hardly thought it necessary to do anything beyond issuing public appeals for communal peace and ritually denouncing Hindu communalist forces as the prime cause of trouble. (pg.70)
Note: See 5.3, 5.7
5.2 - If today the liberal trends among the Hindus are on the wane, the main cause is to be traced to the continuing predominance of separatist and communalist trends among Indian Muslims even 23 years after partition. (pg.71)
5.3 - These traditions of Islam and the strong separatist trends they have engendered among Indian Muslims are the main cause of the persistent communal tension. To claim that Muslim separatism continues to exist because the country has not adequately imbibed the spirit of secularism is to betray ignorance of the working of the Muslim mind. The real cause of the present conflict is that the separatist urges of Muslim nationalism have always existed parallel to those of secular nationalism. Muslims have never agreed that partition put an end to this problem. As I have mentioned in a recent article, Mr Hasan Surhawardy, Chief Minister of undivided Bengal, had pointed out in 1946 that, "Pakistan is not our last demand". In his letter written after the partition to Choudhary Khaliquzzaman, Mr Surhawardy had propounded the. idea of a Muslim majority area in India. It is without significance that the post-independence trend of Muslim politics in India has followed the direction laid down by Mr Jinnah and Mr Surhawardy. (pg.72)
Note: See 5.1, 5.7
5.4 - Nehru was perhaps the only Indian statesman who understood the historical forces operating behind Muslim politics in India. (pg.73)
Note : Yet he did fail prey to the politics of vote bank.
5.5 - Nehru's insistence on a common electorate and the inclusion in the Constitution of the enactment of a uniform civil code as a Directive Principle of state policy inspire of fierce opposition from the Muslim communalists may be cited as examples of his determination in this regard. (pg.73)
Note : (RSS has also the same programme)
5.6 - Moreover, Nehru was well aware that Muslims could easily combine themselves in one political party because of their social structure and the total absence among them of a modern political consciousness based on secular considerations. As regards Hindus, he knew that their stratified social structure always impeded their mobilisation on a common political platform. At the same time, because of their liberal reformist traditions, Hindus had developed a progressive political consciousness which made them alive to larger socio-economic issues. Hence, he knew, they tended to choose political parties, on non-religious considerations. Because of this peculiar situation he usually tried to project himself as a guardian of Muslim interests with a view to preventing the re-emergence of a strong Muslim party. (pg.74)
Note : A divided Hindu community has permitted the vote bank politics to continue with impunity.
5.7 - Every communal riot has helped the growth of Muslim communalist forces. Muslim leaders claimed that communal riots did not take place wherever the League had a strong force/hold among Muslims. Many a times communal troubles are provoked by Muslims. (pg.75)
Note : See 5.1, 5.3, 5.8
5.8 - The Khaskar's tradition of dots and the orgy of violence, arson and loot indulged in by the Razakars in Hyderabad are too well-known to need detailed mention. (pg.76)
Note: See 5.1, 5.3, 5.7
5.9 - The Prime Minister (Smt Indira Gandhi) wants to eradicate communalism from this land, but she is indulging in self-deception if she feels that she can curb Hindu communalist forces by conniving at Muslim separatism. (pg.77)
5.10 - The unceremonious exit of Mr.M.C.Chagia from her cabinet and the relaxation of the rule prohibiting polygamy among Muslim employees of the Central Government are but two examples of the concessions she is making to Muslim communalism. (pg.77)
5.11 - The problem of national integration cannot be solved by appeasing Muslim separatism. (pg.77)
6 - Chapter V- Strange Bedfellows: Communists Intimacy with Communalists
6.1 - In fact, this intimacy is not a! all surprising. There are significant resemblances between the communist movement. and the Muslim communalist movement. (pg.78)
6.2 - The basis of the Islamic movement is hot the whole of a society but only the Islamic segment of it. The Islamic movement can establish its own state only by subjugating, if not destroying, the other parts of society. (pg.79)
Note : Many other people also say that the concept of brotherhood in Islam relates to Islamic brotherhood only.
6.3 - Even this secular state would be the secular government of and by a Muslim majority, in which non-Muslims would have little or no place. (pg.79)
6.4 - When the communists are not in power, they are internationalists; when Muslims are a minority in any country they lack a nationalistic spirit and have an internationalistic, that is, pan-Islamic attitude. (pg.80)
Note: See 6.1
6.5 - A communist when not in power, is primarily an internationalist and only secondarily, if at all, a nationalist. A Muslim in minority is primarily a Muslim and only secondarily, if at all a nationalist. Both Muslims -and communists regard their own concept of social structure as perfect. (pg.80).
6.6 - Most nations with a Muslim majority are extremely nationalistic in their social and political outlook. In pre-partition India, the Muslim League used to demand greater provincial autonomy. (pg.81)
6.7 - Communists purge their opponents no sooner than they come to power. Muslim nationalistic movements, wherever there is a Muslim majority, do not allow non-Muslims to exist freely and equally. (pg-81)
6.8 - (The communists) decided to back Muslim communalists in order to precipitate nation-wide disintegration, gain a popular backing. from the Indian Muslims, induce the ruling group in Pakistan to support Soviet policies, and to benefit from the general chaos and factional fights in the entire sub-continent. (pg.82)
6.9 - When the CPI accepted the Ranadive policy of nationwide subversion and uprising many eminent Muslim League leaders throughout India suddenly became 'communists'! (pg.83)
7 - Chapter. VI - The Chief Obstacle in the way of Muslim Integration
7.1 - Among Indian Muslims there is a conspicuous absence of unbiased self-critical and rational individuals who can discuss this problem fruitfully. This is not entirely the fault to individual Indian Muslims. The capacity for self-criticism, the courage to face facts, the ability to lead the community with a critical awareness of one's own virtues and shortcomings implies the existence of a level of sophistication in the intelligentsia. The Muslim intelligentsia in India lacks these qualities. Their so called leaders are usually the leaders of a blind, orthodox, and ill-educated community. Such people do not discuss their own faults; rather they obdurately cling to their own view. All of them put forward the same arguments in the same tone again and again. When they find faults, the faults are invariably those of other people. They do not have the capacity to understand their own mistakes. (pg.86)
Note: See 1.1
7.2 - Some Hindu intellectuals have been consistently opposing the demand for a ban on cow slaughter. It is not necessary here to discuss the grounds on which they oppose the demand, some oppose it because they believe that such a ban would be incompatible with the secular ideals of Indian society. (pg.87)
Note : (Is this not being communal ?)
7.3 - The unfortunate fact remains that not a single intellectual from among the number Muslims who style themselves as intellectuals had the courage to speak out openly on this occasion'. (pg.88)
Chapter VI -The case of the missing hair at Hazratbal.
7.4 - I must frankly state that there is a kind of Hindu who is always terrified when he thinks of Muslims. (pg.88)
7.5 - The real obstacle in the way of secular integration is the vast gulf that separates the intelligentsia of the two communities. An intellectual minority always helps to shape the rest of the society on proper lines. (pg.89)
7.6 - As long as such a vital difference exists between the mental make-ups of the two communities, Hindu-Muslim tensions are not likely to abate. I think this difference between the two communities is in the nature of a disparity of cultural levels. (pg.90)
Note : (And yet we talk about the cultural contribution of Islam).
7.7 - As modern men, we do not rely on religion for deriving our concept of social conscience. Our social conscience is inherent in the democratic system of government we have accepted. (pg.93) Muslim opposition to secular Integration : Nature, Causes and Remedies
7.8 - Secularism in India, although embodied in the Constitution, is as yet only an aspiration. It has not yet permitted our social life. (pg.94)
7.9 - Muslims who are today leaders of political parties such as the Right Communist but like Mr.Mohammed Illiyar of West Bengal are proven communalists, must be exposed. (pg.97)
8 - Chapter VIII - Humanistic Modernism the only solution
8.1 - (The orthodox Hindu) stages an agitation against the proposed removal of the word 'Hindu' from Benares University, and secures the support of the Muslim League. He would start an agitation for a ban on cow slaughter and Muslim communalists would support even that. For when they support him on such issues, both of them can establish a united front against Mr.Chagla, and then the Muslim communalist would also be left free to stage nationwide agitations for re-display of the prophet's lost hair. He can bully critics of the Prophet. In short he
will always turn Hindu revivalism to his own benefit. (pg. 104)
9 - Chapter IX - Indian Muslims at the Crossroad
9.1 - One line of thinking was that as Muslims were denied recognition as a political entity enjoying parity with the majority, they were left with no alternative to establishing a state of their own. Others thought that in a united India Muslims all over the subcontinent were bound to remain perpetually at the mercy of the Hindu community. (pg.111)
9.2 - Muslims who were to remain in India were called upon to sacrifice their security and welfare to ensure a glorious future for fellow Muslims who would constitute the majority in Pakistan. (pg.111)
9.3 - Whenever Muslims are in a majority they have refused to recognise the equal rights of non-Muslim minorities and where they are in a minority they have been generally reluctant to regard themselves as part and parcel of a non-religious nation. The recent revolts of Muslims in Philippines, Thailand and Ethiopia are merely expressions of the Muslim unwillingness to participate in a common social order on equal terms with others and this unwillingness is rooted in a long and deeply entrenched historical and religious tradition. (pg. 116)
Note : See 10.2
9.4 - Even educated Muslims whose religious faith is often skin-deep rarely rise to a broad, humanist outlook. This sensitivity to human suffering as human suffering is as yet feeble. (pg.119)
9.5 - Surely the actual practice of the persons following a religion provides a much more reliable guide to its values than their professions. (pg.120)
9.6 - Gandhiji never asserted that Hindus were, as a matter of fact, tolerant. He only insisted that they should cultivate tolerance. (pg.120) Note: Tolerance in the religious context means that there are many ways to reach heaven and each person is free to choose the one that is most suitable for himself.
9.7 - If Muslims do not have the courage to confront these historical forces and the religious and social traditions which create and sustain them, they will be able to do very little to help their society to extricate itself from its present predicament. (pg-1 23)
10 - Chapter X - Failure of a Mission ?
10.1 - That is why also violence in India immediately calls forth condemnation by organised public opinion. (pg. 1 29)
10.2 - The difference between the two communities does not end here. Wherever Muslims are in a majority, they have denied equal citizenship to non-Muslims. (pg.130)
Note: See 9.3
10.3 - The fact that no major Hindu-Muslim riot has taken place in Pakistan after 1964 does not mean that the Muslims of Pakistan suddenly became secular after that years holocaust. Steady persecution of the Hindus and even of Muslims from what now is India has been going without allowing the facts to come out. Hindus are not now allowed to migrate to India without forfeiting their property to the Government. Nor are they allowed to sell their property except with the prior permission of the Government. (pg. 131)
11 - Chapter XI - The Meaning of Bangla Desh
11.1 - While attempting to create a nation of their own the Muslims only achieved their own political, social and cultural disintegration. (pg. 138)
11.2 - A nation is created with a purpose; Its existence cannot be taken for granted in the absence of a secular purpose shared by its constituents. The rulers of Pakistan never recognised this. They took for granted the political unity, of all Muslims qua Muslims. (pg.139)
11.3 - Were Pakistan to disintegrate and become weaker, Indian would have no need to support the Arabs unconditionally in their fight against Israel. (pg.147)
11.4 - The greatest beneficiary of the disintegration of Pakistan would be India, and no Muslim nation would accept this with equanimity. (pg. 147)
11.5 - Nehru's own views were sharply different from the two trends among the Hindus described above. He accepted as relevant India's historical but not its religious traditions. (pg.150)
HAMID DALWAI
A veteran journalist and provocative publicist, Hamid Dalwai has long crusaded for a secular outlook among the new generation of Indian Muslims.
"...this young Muslim who has chosen
to take his own religion to task for
obstructing the way to successful
secularism in India, has certain
positive points which may not be
ignored. One has to applaud the courage..."
--Hindustan Standard, Calcutta
Saturday, May 11, 2013
Jesus Dogs on Conversion Of Hindus
http://www.sakshitimes.net/blog/2007/03/14/to-convert-or-not-to-convert-what-does-the-hindu-leaders-say-912/
o Convert or Not to Convert? What does the Hindu Leaders Say?
Posted by admin on March 14, 2007 in Cultures | 4 Comments
Swami Vivekananda’s No to Conversion
Let us begin with none less than Swami Vivekananda. His speeches at the World’s Parliament of Religions, Chicago are the most famous of his speeches. And we quote the relevant paragraphs from final address verbatim here. “
Much has been said of the common ground of religious unity. I am not going just now to venture my own theory. But if anyone here hopes that this unity will come by the triumph of anyone of the religions and the destruction of others, to him I say, "Brother, yours is an impossible hope." Do I wish that the Christian would become Hindu? God forbid. Do I wish that the Hindu or Buddhist would become Christian? God forbid.” “The Christian is not to become a Hindu or a Buddhist, not a Hindu or a Buddhist to become a Christian. But each must assimilate the spirit of the others and yet preserve his individuality and grow according to his own law of growth.”
The entire text of the speech is available in one of the Ramakrishna MISSION’s websitehttp://www.sriramakrishna.org/chicago.htm. Is it not a double standard to speak like this and then come and start a MISSION to convert people? Wait a minute. Swamiji also said yes to conversion. Let us read that.
Swami Vivekananda’s Yes to Conversion
Hinduism Today has published an article recording the statements of Swami Vivekananda supporting “reconversion” and conversion (of course to Hinduism). Here is the gist of his conversation and a relevant quote.
Reconversion:
Since most of the Christians and Muslims in India are perverts (and not converts) according to Swami (recorded in the same article), they can reconvert to their own caste (yes caste is important).
Conversion:
Swamiji not only supported the reconversions of Christian and Muslim ‘perverts,’ he also welcomed new converts. Here is the passage. “But my next enquiry drew blood. "Would you leave these new-comers, Swamiji, to choose their own form of religious belief out of many-visaged Hinduism, or would you chalk out a religion for them?" "Can you ask that?" he said. "They will choose for themselves. For unless a man chooses for himself, the very spirit of Hinduism is destroyed. The essence of our Faith consists simply in this freedom of the Ishta.”
The entire text is available at http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1999/8/1999-8-09.shtml One wonders why is freedom of Ishta restricted to Hinduism. Why not to Christianity?
Swami Dayananda Saraswati of Arsha Vidya Gurukulam
Swami Dayananda Saraswati has written an article attacking conversion. He categorized Christianity as a missionary religion and therefore aggressive. Hinduism, according to him is a non-missionary religion and therefore non-aggressive.
He then wrote: “Aggressive religions and nonaggressive religions are not on the same plank. Conversion is, therefore, a rank, one-sided aggression. The genius of the nonaggressive traditions cannot change, and therefore, they cannot be asked to do the same thing as the aggressive religions do. Humanity cannot afford to lose any more of its existing living religious traditions and cultures. We want to enjoy the religious cultures of both Christianity and Islam as we also want to enjoy the cultures of Jews, Parsis, Taoists, Shintoists, Hindus and others.”
The entire text can be read here (http://www.swamij.com/conversion-violence.htm).
> Yes, all these sound very similar to what Swami Vivekananda spoke inChicago. However, if you visit Swamiji’s website you will find that a few of his disciples who are now Swami’s and teach at his gurukulam’s in US and Canada are foreigners. Were they born Hindus or converted?
Does he look like an Indian Hindu?
You can see his site here (http://www.arshavidya.org/teachers_uscan.html)
Gandhiji
Why this Double Standard? If you are confused about the double standards of these Swamiji’s then read Gandhiji to know the reason for it. Read this conversion between a Christian Missionary and Gandhiji (Entire content available herehttp://www.hvk.org/specialrepo/mkg/index.html)
J.M. But must we not serve them?
Gandhiji: Of course you will, but not make conversion the price of your service.
J.M. I agree that we ought to serve them whether they become Christians or not. Christ offered no inducements. He offered service and sacrifice.
Gandhiji: If Christians want to associate themselves with this reform movement they should do so without any idea of conversion.
J.M. Apart from this unseemly competition, should they not preach the Gospel with reference to its acceptance?
Gandhiji: Would you, Dr. Mott, preach the Gospel to a cow? Well, some of the untouchables are worse than cows in understanding. I mean they can no more distinguish between the relative merits of Islam and Hinduism and Christianity than a cow. You can only preach through your life. The rose does not say: ‘Come and smell me.’
Yes, some of the untouchables are worse than cows in understanding. And most of the Christians are perverts. In the Chicago speech of Swami Vivekananda, he concluded by saying: “If the Parliament of Religions has shown anything to the world it is this: It has proved to the world that holiness, purity and charity are not the exclusive possessions of any church in the world, and that every system has produced men and women of the most exalted character.”
Well, we would like to conclude by saying that perverts are not the exclusive possessions of any religions; at least these Hindu leaders are evidences of that.
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